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東京還是上海,你更喜歡哪個城市

Which do you like better, Tokyo or Shanghai? What is your opinion of each?

東京還是上海,你更喜歡哪個?你對他們有什么看法?

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以下是Quora讀者的評論:

Eri Oikawa, lived in Tokyo

I’m half Shanghainese half Tokyoite and have lived in both for about half of my life each. (Although I just moved to Vancouver.)

I personally find major flaws in both cities which is why I’m trying to find a better place to live. The biggest flaws for Tokyo is how stressful it is and the biggest flaw for Shanghai is the lack of access to free internet.

In terms of work environment, both can be stressful but I find the formality of Japanese work environments more annoying and stressful. It is also more different from western culture. I feel like there’s more of a choice of how much you work in Shanghai and it’s easier to find jobs as people change jobs all the time. The annoying thing is a lot of the people you work with will quit. However, there’s better labor protection law in Japan despite the more systemic gender discrimination in workplace.

In terms of culture, Shanghai is very materialistic but people are friendlier and it’s easier to make close friends. Shanghai is also more international where you can meet people not just from all over the world but also those who have studied/lived abroad. If you like more down to earth people, it’s easier to find them in Tokyo although I would recommend smaller cities.

The food is a little better in Tokyo but Shanghai has better food delivery systems and much cheaper fruits. (Unless your favourite fruit is strawberry) The bread and cakes are a little better in Tokyo but Shanghai might catch up soon.

The air quality is really bad in Shanghai sometimes but people don’t talk about how it’s not so great in Tokyo most of the time. Perhaps it’s easier to find fresher air in Tokyo if you travel to the mountains.

In terms of cost of living, Shanghai is definitely cheaper as it’s easier to find cheaper labor to exploit. You can also live more on a budget considering how much basic things cost in Tokyo. Shanghai also has a ridiculously cheap public transport system that is pretty reliable. However, if you want things (clothings, makeup, electronics…) with certain quality/design that are sold in both countries, they are usually cheaper in Tokyo. What I’m trying to say is more “expensive” things are cheaper in Tokyo.

In conclusion, I would pick Shanghai over Tokyo if not for the internet but I’m sure there are better cities to live on earth.

我算是一半上海人,一半東京人,在這兩個城市生活了大半輩子。(不過我剛搬到溫哥華。)

我個人認為這兩個城市都有很大的不足,這就是為什么我想找一個更好的地方居住。東京最大的缺點是壓力太大,而上海最大的缺點是沒有免費的互聯網。

在工作環境方面,兩者都有壓力,但我發現日本工作環境的禮節更令人討厭、壓力山大。它也跟西方文化更不一樣。我覺得在上海工作有更多的選擇,人們總是換工作,找工作也更容易。但討厭的是,很多和你一起工作的人會辭職。然而,盡管在工作場所存在更多的制度上的性別歧視,但日本有更好的勞動保護法。

在文化方面,上海非常物質主義,但人們更友好,更容易結交親密的朋友。上海也更加國際化,在這里你不僅可以遇見來自世界各地的人,還可以遇見在國外學習/生活過的人。如果你更喜歡腳踏實地的人,在東京這樣的人更多一些,不過我建議你去小一點的城市。

東京的食物略好一些,但是上海的送餐系統更發達,水果更便宜。(除非你最喜歡的水果是草莓)東京的面包和蛋糕更好吃,但上??赡芎芸炀蜁s上來。

上海的空氣質量有時真的很差,但大多數時候人們不會承認東京的空氣質量一般。在東京,如果去山上旅行,也許更容易呼吸到新鮮空氣。

就生活成本而言,上海絕對更便宜,因為那里更容易找到廉價勞動力??紤]到東京的基本生活成本,你也可以更節儉地生活。上海還有非常便宜的公共交通系統,而且非??煽?。但是,如果你想在這兩個國家買到有一定質量和設計感的東西(衣服、化妝品、電子產品……),在東京購買通常比較便宜。我想說的是,貴的東西在東京更便宜。

總之,如果沒有互聯網的因素,我會選擇上海而不是東京,但我相信地球上還有更好的城市。

譯文來源:三泰虎 http://www.hadlq.tw/49206.html 譯者:Joyceliu

 

Sara Ying, True Shanghainese

It’s really hard to choose between the two cities, especially since Shanghai and Tokyo have a lot of similarities. But, ultimately I think Shanghai wins for me. It’s more attractive in the sense that it retains much of its culture. When you visit, it’s hard not to bump shoulders with locals and stumble into the living quarters of the working class. Even at the most touristy sites, like Nanjing Road, you will still see really old architecture (for example, my great-grandfather worked in some of the buildings that still stand on that road today). Tokyo also has many cultural sites, but I feel like a lot of it has been “cleaned up” to be viewed by tourists. What you’ll find in Shanghai is raw and unfiltered, a great experience in my opinion

很難在這兩個城市之間做出選擇,尤其是上海和東京有很多相似之處。但是,最后我還是想選上海。它之所以更有吸引力,是因為它保留了很多自己的文化。即便是在最熱門的旅游景點,如南京路,你仍然會看到非常古老的建筑(例如,我的曾祖父曾在一些至今還矗立在那條路上的建筑中工作過)。東京也有很多文化景點,但我覺得很多地方都被“收拾”專供游客參觀了。你在上??吹降氖窃嫉?、未加修飾的,在我看來是一段很棒的經歷。

 

Tony Kim, lived in Tokyo

I’ve lived in Yokohama / Tokyo 8 months and visited Shanghai once a month for one week for 6 years.

For me, Shanghai wins for the following reasons:

The Chinese people are typically cold and not very welcoming until you get to know them. They show true friendship and brotherhood. Japanese are warm and friendly from the start but never goes deeper then pleasantly.

Chinese people welcome you to their home and offer you their couch if u don't have hotel. The Japanese would never go out of their ways for a foreigner

The History and culture. China was ravaged through wars and revolution. Japan was burnt to the ground and rebuilt.

Japan is a copy of New York with some hidden jewels of modern Japan. Shanghai is unique in all of Asia. Glitzy clubs, restaurant along flowing green streets in French concention, sky scrapers make Tokyo look like 2 tier cities all along old Shanghai charm

Shanghai has done a great job to keep it international feel while retaining the old Shanghai

Japanese food is bland and limited. There is so much sushi, katsu and soba you can eat then it's all the same. Very limited. Chinese food …. OMG. Too many to select. After 10 years of traveling to China, I'm still finding new exciting food to enjoy. It's always an adventure in a nice way

Shanghai metro, high speed trains, mag lev and taxi is world class. Ok - the Japanese system is much more punctual but cost very expensive. China / Shanghai infra is much more local friendly and WIDE SCALE.

Tokyo is ALMOST sterile city. It's clean but walk the back streets and it's just like Shanghai

Tokyo almost felt like living in a fake city. Bland and no soul. Everyone walking around doing the 9to5 everyday life in a make up world. Don't get me wrong, visiting there as a tourist for one week is great. I was fascinated with Tokyo till I found the bland life of it.

Shanghai never gets bland. Tokyo’s the runner up to the miss universe competition. Still beautiful, still exotic and cultured but miss Shanghai is the crown winner

我在橫濱/東京住了8個月,6年來每個月去上海一次,每次一周。

對我來說,我會把票投給上海,原因如下:

在你了解他們之前,中國人通常都很冷漠,不太熱情。但他們會表現出真正的友誼和手足之情。日本人則從見面之初就熱情友好,但在那之后就再難發展到更深層次的友情了。

中國人歡迎你去他們家,如果你沒有訂到酒店,他們愿意讓你睡他們家的沙發。日本人永遠不會為一個外國人破例。

歷史和文化。中國經歷了戰爭和革命的蹂躪。日本被夷為平地,然后重建。

日本是紐約的翻版,隱藏著現代日本的一些瑰寶。上海在整個亞洲是獨一無二的。具有法國風情的綠色街道上的炫目酒吧、餐廳,摩天大樓讓東京看起來像帶有老上海魅力的二線城市。

在保留老上海風情的同時,上海在國際化方面也做得很好。

日本的食物清淡而有限。壽司、木魚和蕎麥面很多,但感覺都是一樣的。品類非常有限。中國美食....我的天啊,選擇太多了。在中國旅行了10年之后,我仍在尋找令人食指大動的新食物。中國美食從來都是令人滿意的探險之旅。

上海的地鐵、高鐵、磁懸浮和出租車都是世界級的。好吧,日本的系統更準時,但成本非常昂貴。中國/上海中遠比上海更友好、更廣泛。

東京幾乎是個無菌城市。它很干凈,但走在小街道時,感覺就跟上海一樣。

東京幾乎感覺就像生活在一個虛偽的城市。冷漠而沒有靈魂。每個人都在一個虛擬的世界里過著朝九晚五的生活。別誤會我的意思,以游客的身份去那里玩上一個星期是很不錯的。我曾對東京很著迷,直到我發現它的平淡生活。

上海從不乏味。東京是環球小姐大賽的亞軍。美麗,充滿異國情調和文化,但上海是冠軍得主。

 

Ben Collier, works at Lloyds Banking Group (2013-present)

I’ve been to Tokyo twice and Shanghai just once, spending a fair amount of time in each. For me, Tokyo takes the win for the following reasons:

  1. The Japanese people are typically very welcoming and friendly. I have had great experiences with Chinese people, but found the warmth and friendliness of Japanese people to be almost overwhelming.
  2. The History and culture. Again, this is a close one, but I think Tokyo has done a better job of preserving it’s past both in terms of physical buildings and within the contemporary arts scene. Shanghai museum is fantastic, as is the colonial waterfront, but there is very little that remains of historic Shanghai. Everything felt very modern, but in areas certain a little soulless.
  3. The food. I love the thousands of tiny Japanese restaurants dotting the backstreets; you get a real feel of being somewhere unique and, obviously, it tastes great. Shanghai has much less of a food culture.
  4. The infrastructure. Tokyo’s metro and transport system is slightly more modern and functional and the traffic seems to flow much better. Shanghai has the feeling of growing too big too quickly.
  5. The look/feel of each city. Tokyo is genuinely beautiful and retains a distinctly Japanese feel everywhere you go. The streets are immaculately clean, mostly well-planned, and there is a lot of open space, parks etc. I spent hours per day just walking around Tokyo and always discovered something new and interesting. Shanghai has beautiful areas and some nice parkland, but it does not come close to that of Tokyo; it felt quite Western to me, comparatively dirty and had the pervading feeling of runaway urbanisation.

我去過東京兩次,只去過上海一次,每次都呆了不少時間。對我來說,東京獲勝的原因如下:

1.日本人非常熱情友好。我和中國人有過很多接觸,但我發現日本人的熱情和友好幾乎讓我無法抗拒。

2.歷史和文化。兩者在這方面也很相近,但我認為東京在保存歷史的方面做得更好,無論是在物理建筑方面還是在當代藝術領域。上海博物館非常棒,殖民地時期的海濱也是如此,但上海的歷史遺跡卻少之又少。一切都讓人覺得很現代,但在某些方面卻沒有靈魂。

3.食物。我喜歡遍布小街巷的無數日本小餐館;你會有一種很特別的感覺,很明顯,食物的味道很好。上海的飲食文化少得多。

4.基礎設施。東京的地鐵和交通系統更加現代化,功能更加完善,交通狀況也更好。上海有一種發展太快、規模太大的感覺。

5.城市的外觀/感覺。東京真的很美,無論你走到哪里,都能感受到獨特的日本風情。街道干凈整潔,大部分規劃良好,有很多開放空間,公園等。我每天都會花上幾個小時在東京四處走動,總能發現一些新奇有趣的東西。上海有美麗的地方和美麗的公園,但比不上東京;在我看來,這里很西方化,較為臟亂,彌漫著城市化失控的感覺。

 

Delong Tsway, Been to China and Japan.

I am Chinese so I am biased for Shanghai however I have been to both cities and will try to give an objective analysis as best I can. In terms of architecture I like Shanghai better partly because there’s a lot of european buildings and so the city gives me a romantic feel similar to Paris. There’s a reason why Shanghai is called the Paris of the East. Shanghai I think has more water to it although I could be wrong about this. But at least it feels that way. Rivers and water gardens permeate the city. It creates a very dreamy romantic feel for me which I like.

However in terms of futuristic technology I’ll have to give this one to Tokyo. They’re really good at that stuff and it’s no use denying it. They have some traditional Buddhist stuff to but it doesn’t seem like most people visiting the city care about it. I’m really impressed with the technology of Tokyo and also how greenery is infused with the city.

In terms of culture I’m obviously biased towards Chinese. Japanese culture in my honest opinion is just super weird. It’s too much to go into this post but Japanese culture I don’t think it’s healthy. I’m willing to admit China is not that much better in this regard. But it’s still not Japanese level weirdness. In my opinion comparing China to Japan is like comparing an ogre to a snake. They’re both bad but at least one of them is not a snake. (And I’m talking about japan)

So all in all I choose Shanghai but I’ll acknowledge that Tokyo is a really cool city regardless of how weird Japanese people are.

我是中國人,所以我對上海更偏心一些,但是我去過這兩個城市,我會盡量給出一個客觀的分析。在建筑方面,我更喜歡上海,部分原因是那里有很多歐洲建筑,所以這座城市給我一種類似巴黎的浪漫感覺。上海被稱為東方巴黎是有原因的。我認為上海有更多的水,盡管我可能是錯的。但至少感覺是這樣的。河流和花園遍布全城。這為我創造了一個非常夢幻的浪漫感覺,我喜歡。

然而,就未來科技而言,東京肯定更出色。他們真的很擅長這些東西,否認是沒有用的。他們有一些傳統的佛教的東西,但似乎大多數來這個城市的人并不關心它。東京的科技給我留下了深刻的印象,綠色植物也融入了這座城市。

在文化方面,我明顯偏心中國人。日本文化在我看來實在是太奇怪了。這篇文章說得太多了,但我認為日本文化不健康。我承認中國在這方面并沒有好到哪里去。但遠沒有日本的怪異。

總之,我把票投給上海,但我承認東京是一個很酷的城市,不管日本人有多古怪。

 

Jasmine Wang, lives in Shanghai (2009-present)

Personally, I’d pick Tokyo. While i do like anime, that isnt why I’d pick Japan. I currently live in Shanghai, so this may caused a baised opinon bc I haven’t truly lived there(I stayed there for a month). I’d pick tokyo over Shanghai because of how clean it is and how polite people are. The pm2.5/AQI in Shanghia can get really bad—one time it literally was off the charts. Architecturally, Tokyo has much prettier buildings. In my personal opinion, China in general has lost their architectural touch.

However, that is not to say Shanghai isn’t great as well. Honestly speaking, in Shanghai, you can find any type of food and there is always something to do. Also, there are so many forms of entertainment in Shanghai, such as jump360, interactive games, lazer tag, the list goes on. Another benefit of Shanghai, or China in general, is Taobao.

就我個人而言,我會選擇東京。雖然我喜歡日本動漫,但這并不是我選擇日本的原因。我現在住在上海,所以這可能會引起人們的質疑,因為我并沒有真正住在那里(我在那里呆了一個月)。我會選擇東京而不是上海,是因為那里非常干凈,人們非常有禮貌。上海的pm2.5/AQI指數非常糟糕—有一次真的爆表了。從建筑結構上看,東京的建筑要漂亮得多。在我個人看來,中國總體上已經失去了自己獨特的建筑風格。

但我并不是說上海不好。說實話,在上海,你可以找到各種美食,總是有事情可做。此外,在上海有很多娛樂形式,如jump360,互動游戲,激光槍戰,等等。上?;蛑袊牧硪粋€好處是淘寶。

 

Xu Lucy, studied at China

Given your comment to the question I suggest you to change the question to one of the followings

Why do you like Shanghai? (I don’t)

Which part of Shanghai’s culture do you like to most? (Been there a few times but don’t know the place enough to answer the question. It has better infrastructure than most Chinese cities but I don’t think that’s part of its culture. )

What are some competitive advantages of Shanghai comparing to Tokyo? (Higher GDP growth rate, maybe)

考慮到你對這個問題的看法,我建議你把這個問題改為下列問題之一

你為什么喜歡上海?(我不喜歡)

你最喜歡上海文化的哪一方面?(去過幾次,但對上海不太熟悉,回答不了這個問題。它的基礎設施比大多數中國城市都要好,但我不認為這是它文化的一部分。)

與東京相比,上海有哪些優勢?(可能GDP增長率更高)

 

Yuki Fujinari, Half japanese/half german.

As a half-Japanese, I might be biased.

Ofcourse I would choose to rather live in Tokyo. Tokyo is basically the first city that comes to anyones mind, when you say “big city” or even “Mega City”.

But ofcourse as I know Tokyo as well as my pocket, I have a fascination for Shanghai.

Its bigger in size and in buildings and looks futuristic. I definitely would say Shanghai is superior to Tokyo, but I think it depends on the deciding factors you choose

作為一個有一半日本血統的人,我可能會有偏見。

當然,我更喜歡住在東京。當你說“大城市”甚至“超級城市”時,東京基本上會是第一個出現在人們腦海中的城市。

但當然,正如我對東京的了解太深了,我對上海有一種迷戀。

它的城市體量更大,建筑更大,看起來很有未來感。我當然會說上海比東京好,但我認為這取決于你選擇的決定因素是什么。

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